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Suddenly A Nasty Fight over Subsidies for Nukes in Europe

Testosterone Pit -- France, the UK, Poland, and the Czech Republic, which are all planning or building nuclear power plants, are pressuring the European Union to open up the spigot...

Their goal: get the EU to reclassify nuclear energy as low-emission technology, a heavily subsidized category that includes solar and wind power; it would make nuclear power eligible for the same subsidies. Their argument: Europe's commitment to shift to low-emission power generation by 2050 would have to be “technology neutral.”

If the four countries succeed, the EU could subsidize not only construction of nuclear power plants but also the sale of their electricity to the tune of billions of euros—to be paid by all taxpayers in the EU via the EU budget, 20% of which falls upon German taxpayers. Alas, it’s precisely Germany

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Submitted Apr 14, 2012 By: ccf_jeff

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geoutpb Champion Author Midland Odessa Posts:4,643 Points:1,070,210 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:44:31 PM Ignore geoutpb Report Abuse Nuclear power works, if you do not build in near the ocean, or on a major tectonic fault line.
CorvairHaven Champion Author Cleveland Posts:4,364 Points:1,456,640 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:40:16 PM Ignore CorvairHaven Report Abuse Danger Will Robinson!
mplato Champion Author Columbia Posts:8,264 Points:1,818,195 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:40:10 PM Ignore mplato Report Abuse everything to do with nuclear power should be fast tracked to get it going....
PizzaMon Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:5,134 Points:1,864,280 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:29:56 PM Ignore PizzaMon Report Abuse Doomed for failure.
no8c Champion Author Ohio Posts:2,819 Points:707,775 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:29:40 PM Ignore no8c Report Abuse Thanks for posting this article!
bbreff Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,863 Points:2,571,340 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:28:45 PM Ignore bbreff Report Abuse OK - As long as subsidies do NOT come from the US.
tutaw Champion Author Kentucky Posts:3,623 Points:845,670 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:25:06 PM Ignore tutaw Report Abuse really
Ray_10589 Champion Author New York Posts:4,961 Points:1,185,910 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:24:40 PM Ignore Ray_10589 Report Abuse nuclear power is good
OOXXFF Champion Author Greensboro Posts:3,073 Points:1,082,105 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:18:31 PM Ignore OOXXFF Report Abuse Should we be concerned about Germany getting so powerful? The last time they got powerful, they put the whole world in a tizzy..
Nancy&Len Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,068 Points:1,948,740 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:15:51 PM Ignore Nancy&Len Report Abuse I right with you doggod.
sammy518 Champion Author Austin Posts:2,589 Points:539,790 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:15:35 PM Ignore sammy518 Report Abuse ok
madison8359 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:9,049 Points:1,596,220 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:15:22 PM Ignore madison8359 Report Abuse "low emissive technology"? Talk to the people in Japan and Russia about " low emissive technology". Hard to believe they could even consider nuke under this category.
Travel1st Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:2,940 Points:473,810 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:12:46 PM Ignore Travel1st Report Abuse I have to wonder if Japan agrees.
DCbeachbum Champion Author South Carolina Posts:2,647 Points:907,065 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:12:14 PM Ignore DCbeachbum Report Abuse This is crazy. But it is the way the Europeans think. The rest of the world does not think like real Americans.
doggod Champion Author Anchorage Posts:2,863 Points:744,285 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:12:07 PM Ignore doggod Report Abuse The EU is going down the toilet with its model of government control and handouts to the politically favored. I wish I could still say the US has a better system.
rxman1 Champion Author Toledo Posts:9,563 Points:1,864,820 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:12:05 PM Ignore rxman1 Report Abuse I want my subsidy .......Live free until you die
amayne11 Champion Author Vancouver Posts:1,763 Points:502,740 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:11:38 PM Ignore amayne11 Report Abuse If only governments would stay out of private enterprise, it would be cheaper for everyone.
RedRam2005 Champion Author San Antonio Posts:7,760 Points:1,501,140 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:07:53 PM Ignore RedRam2005 Report Abuse Everyone is looking for a hand out.
Alaydown Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:5,131 Points:825,570 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:03:24 PM Ignore Alaydown Report Abuse Nukes for everyone!
RetFireLT Champion Author Kentucky Posts:2,660 Points:171,185 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:01:03 PM Ignore RetFireLT Report Abuse Wouldn't it be great to have a nuclear powered truck that you would not have to fuel for over 25 years. :)
snappytom2 Champion Author Corpus Christi Posts:3,566 Points:275,445 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:59:48 PM Ignore snappytom2 Report Abuse Nuclear power works.
Jeff1944 Champion Author South Dakota Posts:4,244 Points:1,077,320 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:59:47 PM Ignore Jeff1944 Report Abuse Makes sense as one of the alternatives to coal and oil. But level the playing field? I doubt it. Too many with their hands out!
Dsin44 Champion Author Abbotsford Posts:1,272 Points:273,185 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:53:35 PM Ignore Dsin44 Report Abuse go nuke !!!
sehonda Champion Author Honolulu Posts:2,048 Points:917,960 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:49:27 PM Ignore sehonda Report Abuse waste solution first
DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:17,635 Points:3,497,630 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:48:12 PM Ignore DEG Report Abuse Hopefully Obama isn't foolish enough to waste US taxpayer $$$ on this (but I wouldn't count on it).
Zuman Champion Author New York Posts:6,179 Points:1,901,605 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:48:10 PM Ignore Zuman Report Abuse Just more stupidity.
OWENALOTT Champion Author Appleton Posts:2,182 Points:500,095 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:47:19 PM Ignore OWENALOTT Report Abuse Really
jerej829 Champion Author Memphis Posts:2,866 Points:696,665 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:43:19 PM Ignore jerej829 Report Abuse What Ever.......
Fitwit Champion Author Stockton Posts:6,409 Points:1,357,820 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:42:37 PM Ignore Fitwit Report Abuse Too Heavy
paoli8 Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:7,091 Points:1,822,445 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:40:55 PM Ignore paoli8 Report Abuse What ever
HumminRound Veteran Author Washington DC Posts:253 Points:160,995 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:39:49 PM Ignore HumminRound Report Abuse Humm...
pleopard Rookie Author Ontario Posts:96 Points:212,750 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:32:58 PM Ignore pleopard Report Abuse "As for the safety issue, it is entirely possible to design fail-safe nuclear reactors that shut themselves down if all external power disappears, so that another Fukushima accident could not happen." This wasn't really the issue at Fukushima. The issue was maintaining the coolant supply. Nuclear power plants can be made very safe, and Japan's reactors are generally considered very safe. After all, Japan invented a lot of the technology! However.... (and it's a big one), they can never be made completely safe, as we're slowly (sadly) beginning to realize. Making a completely safe nuclear power plant would be cost prohibitive and even then it wouldn't actually be completely safe. So, the question remains - do the benefits outweigh the risks. I don't think so. Neither does Germany.
southrob Champion Author Tucson Posts:3,615 Points:691,100 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:31:12 PM Ignore southrob Report Abuse nuclear power the most green
carefrey Champion Author Orlando Posts:5,545 Points:1,161,435 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:28:06 PM Ignore carefrey Report Abuse Low emission with greater risk of disaster!
garyr86 Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,998 Points:604,665 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:27:04 PM Ignore garyr86 Report Abuse Nuclear energy is good. THere are accidents with every form of energy
saleboss Champion Author Phoenix Posts:3,929 Points:1,177,875 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:26:47 PM Ignore saleboss Report Abuse Low carbon emissions maybe, but what about the heat and the nuclear half life of the nuclear material!
gas_too_high Champion Author Columbus Posts:11,558 Points:1,936,345 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:26:23 PM Ignore gas_too_high Report Abuse Nuclear power is "lower emission technology". It emits no carbon dioxide or air pollutants. It's waste is contained and controlled (I don't know how Europe deals with nuclear waste, but they get it done). And nuclear power is the way to lower CO2 emissions and still generate power on a large scale. That is what Europe professes to want, including the Germans who foolishly are giving up nuclear power. As for the safety issue, it is entirely possible to design fail-safe nuclear reactors that shut themselves down if all external power disappears, so that another Fukushima accident could not happen. GTH
DrCashFlow Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:7,079 Points:1,630,050 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:25:21 PM Ignore DrCashFlow Report Abuse Everybody has his agenda
menagerie1013 Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,365 Points:692,240 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:23:07 PM Ignore menagerie1013 Report Abuse If they can't do it without subsidization, it shouldn't happen.
netman044 Champion Author Texas Posts:6,848 Points:1,291,275 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:18:33 PM Ignore netman044 Report Abuse Why isn't nuclear waste classified as an emission? It is pollution that has to be dealt with.
EVBuddy Champion Author Nevada Posts:16,705 Points:3,034,520 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:17:44 PM Ignore EVBuddy Report Abuse OK, doesn't affect anything here.
cwashi3324 Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:2,812 Points:575,240 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:13:56 PM Ignore cwashi3324 Report Abuse Old news...
tonoplast All-Star Author Lexington Posts:829 Points:451,055 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:13:52 PM Ignore tonoplast Report Abuse Many years ago, a famous physicist described nuclear power as "a Faustian bargain. That statement is still true.
nigelb Champion Author Virginia Posts:8,475 Points:1,394,680 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:06:54 PM Ignore nigelb Report Abuse Looks like and interesting battle looms over nuclear power in Europe.
w4kh Champion Author Tennessee Posts:11,685 Points:2,231,915 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:03:11 PM Ignore w4kh Report Abuse A nuclear facility, built with current technology, is more efficient and safer than ever... we need more nuclear in the US...
briinnc Champion Author North Carolina Posts:2,705 Points:834,820 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:02:36 PM Ignore briinnc Report Abuse Makes sense, unless you're German.
donnamarieb333 Veteran Author South Carolina Posts:397 Points:181,340 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:02:13 PM Ignore donnamarieb333 Report Abuse just think, one day the super-collider will make all of us as well as technology obsolete
hallows Champion Author St. Louis Posts:4,713 Points:2,807,545 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 4:59:51 PM Ignore hallows Report Abuse Alrighty now!
TRAIN RIDER Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:9,097 Points:2,760,745 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 4:59:35 PM Ignore TRAIN RIDER Report Abuse Since one nuclear power plant on 25 acres can produce the same amount of electricity and enough wind turbines that cover the entire state of Massachusetts, I see no problem.
vcsuksu21 Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,478 Points:708,880 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 4:57:46 PM Ignore vcsuksu21 Report Abuse Ok
Barfood Champion Author St. Louis Posts:3,311 Points:1,019,630 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 4:56:05 PM Ignore Barfood Report Abuse I can't see the Germans as letting this happen as they are bailing out poor EU countries.